20-01-14 (Jan 20, 2014)
FYI - This is how they do the date down here in the Caribbean
FYI - This has turned out to be written in real time...ie....a bit wordy. Sorry but you will just need to deal
We are finding that checking in and out of the various
countries is different each time. I
don’t mean different for each country but different for each person that is checking
in or out. We knew this somewhat before
we started sailing south but it’s interesting….and confusing.
For instance –
When we checked back into the United States Virgin Islands
(yes, you do have to do that even though you are a US citizen - think about it, you have to when you fly to
a foreign country and then back) the guy wanted to know where we were going
next. He knew we were on a sailboat and
more than likely sailing somewhere else at some point in the future. We told him Sint Maarten and he said “you
will need to check out of here first.”
If we were only going to back to the British Virgin Islands, then no
need to check out.
As it was, we did go back to the BVI’s. There you can check in and out at the same
time if your visit is going to be short (it is somewhat fuzzy on what they mean
by “short”). When Tom went to check us
in and out we thought we would be leaving later that day or even the next. He wasn’t sure what to put on the
paperwork. He was honest with the lady
behind the desk. She was ever so helpful
and said “why don’t we just give you three additional days in case.” Kewl!
We ended up using those extra days waiting on just the right weather
window. Fellow cruising friends went to
check out the day before at that same office.
They were told they needed to leave that day. “Can I have 24 hours just in case?” “NO.”
Can I have 12 hours?” “NO. You can have until 5am tomorrow
morning.” Hum? The next cruiser in line got the same so I
guess there was a little consistency there.
The costs associated with checking in and out also seem to vary slightly
as well but that might be related to boat size.
It seems the only cash drawer is the pockets of whoever is checking you
in. They take your cash and put it in
their right hand pocket and then give you change out of the left hand pocket. Tom and a fellow cruiser were laughing at how
comical that aspect is.
Checking into the island of St Marten is really
confusing. The island is home to two
countries. A French side, which is Saint
Martin or St Martin and a Dutch side which, is Sint Maarten. They have lived in relative peace side by
side since 1648. Travel inland from side
to side is no issue. Checking in by boat
is a little more challenging. It was
suggested by other cruisers to check into the French side. It costs less and cruisers are ALL ABOUT
costs less!!! Supposedly once you check
in on the French side you can go wherever you want around the island – French
side or Dutch side. But wait there is
more…
Other cruisers have found that if the female of the crew
checks your vessel in, sometimes it can go a little better. So today I checked us into St Martin –
French side. The office was completely
closed for lunch when I first arrived at 13:30.
That is correct, closed for lunch.
I forgot we are in a country/countries where entire offices and shops
close down for at least one hour and often two hours for lunch. Some cruisers find this frustrating and it
can be. However, after years of eating Subway
sandwiches on my lap in the car as I drove to my next sales call, I find it
very civilized. When I arrived back at
14:00 (2pm), a group of four German yachties were waiting to check out. They were in the frustrated camp in terms of
the office being closed for lunch. I
don’t speak German but it was obvious from their tones and expressions that
they were irritated that the office was not open at exactly 2pm. Hey, maybe the guy went to lunch late so he is
coming back late. Plus – things do seem
to run on island time ie…a different pace.
I don’t think the guy was amused when he arrived around 2:08 to find
them banging on his office door. He
helped the Germans first. I had to wait
outside and then he came for me. He was
very nice. I presented all our ships
documents and passports. He entered it
all into a computer as I sat quietly next to him (YES I DID – I know some of
you think I can’t sit quietly). Then he
said “$8.” I only had a twenty. He checked his pockets for change (see above
about cash in pockets) but I didn’t have any.
He went around the corner into a fellow office and got change for
me. He made the German’s go and get
change – I think it was their attitude and the fact that they were banging on
his glass door. After giving me the
change he said I was good to go. I was
surprised and taken back – wow…easypeasy I thought. “That’s it?
How long can we stay?” *In the
BVI’s we only had 30 days unless we filed for extra days. “Yes, you are checked in. But if you add anyone to your boat, you have
to come back here and pay me for them.
AND if you come around to this side of the island and anchor in Marigot
Bay… out there, you have to come pay me some more money. But basically you have 90 days and then you
have to go away from the island.” Then
he quickly escorted me out the door before I could ask more questions.
FYI – we entered into Simpson Bay Lagoon through the Dutch
side of the island through a lift bridge.
The lagoon is huge but more later on that. Then we proceeded through the new Simpson Bay
Lagoon Causeway Bridge, which is basically the dividing line between the Dutch
side of the lagoon and the French. We
anchored on the French side of the lagoon.
So I really don’t understand why we have to go back to Mr Customs and
pay him again if we end up anchoring in Marigot Bay for some reason. We are already anchored on the French side. We won’t pay for every bay we anchor in on
the French side – weird. Additionally,
apparently there is also a Simpson Bay Lagoon Authority and you are supposed to
pay them and the office is located on the Dutch side. They want payment whether you are in the actual Lagoon or
anchored outside on the Dutch side in what is called Simpson Bay. Maybe it’s a bay thing on both sides. We were also told that the Dutch record your
ships name when you enter through their bridge and if you present on that side
at any time, they charge you for the bridge opening when you came in. What?
Hum?
Later, back on the boat we realized that he didn’t stamp our
passports. D-Oh! So basically the boat is checking in and we
aren’t. In my defense, it was my first time
checking us in, I forgot to ask. And he
never said a word about immigration. Usually,
they tell you to go to the next office or in most case over to the next desk
and that one is immigration. My bad. We are going back tomorrow morning to clear
ourselves in so we will be official. I
will let you know if we get any further clarification.
So you see, clear as mud.
But are we upset or frustrated?
NO. This is all part of the
adventures of traveling abroad. Each
country has its own rules and regs and ways of applying them or not. We are guests and just need to deal as best
we can with those quirks. Will there
be times in the future when we are trying to check out so we can catch a
weather window and have challenges in checking out? Oh yeah!
But I will try to remember to come back and read this as a reminder to
myself to just go with it. If I don’t
and start bitching, you can remind me about this blog posting.
And for the record, the USA is no picnic in terms of
clearing in and out. We have heard from
plenty of Auzzies, Kiwi’s and even a few Canadians on that. As a person with hip replacements, I can
tell you that TSA screening at US airports varies widely! So each country has it quirks and ticks as
well as different pace.
UPDATE 21-01-14 (Jan 21 2014) – Today we took the dinghy
back to Marigot and walked back to the customs office at the ferry dock where I
checked our boat in yesterday so we could get our passports stamped and be
official. Along the way we ran into fellow Salty
Dawg Archie off s/v Janey. We asked him about his experience checking
in. He got his passport stamped when he
checked in at immigration and had to pay $40.
He also cleared the boat in and had to pay $8 – same as I paid
yesterday. Anyway, I knocked on the
customs door and Mr Customs answered and escorted me in. I reminded him that he checked me in
yesterday but that I didn’t get our passports stamped. I asked him where do I get the passports
stamped, immigration? “Do you really
want your passports stamped? You don’t
really have to have them stamped.” "Um….well….I….?' “Come with me” he
said. ”I will take you to get them
stamped.” We exited the office and then
went a short distance to the immigration window at the ferry dock. Two policemen were inside. Mr Customs rattled off a bunch of French – of
which I caught 4 words I know (darn it! why didn’t I hit the Rosetta Stone sooner!) – then he
turned to me and said something like "they cannot stamp it yesterday but they can two
days. You understand?” “Um….No, I don’t.” Mr Customs said “They cannot stamp it with
yesterday’s date but they can stamp it with today’s. Is that ok?”
To which I said “Does that matter?”
He shrugged and asked them. They
said no. I gave them our passports. One guy took them away and came back with
them stamped. No official signature,
just a stamp. No $40 due. Hum? I
politely said “We sailed here on our own boat.
We plan to sail to Anguilla. We
of course will check in there (it’s British) and then back out. Then we will probably sail back to this
island to Grande Case (French side). Do
I have to check back in?” The nice
policeman said “No. You can come and go
as you like for the length of your stay.
You do not have to check back in.”
Okay. So there we have it.
We will just see what info we can find out about the Dutch
side tomorrow.
One additional note.
Tom had the occasion to visit with a crew member from the mega yacht M/V Rising Sun (and I do mean MEGA yacht – google it if you are bored). They chatted about various topics but this
guy did suggest we take care to fly the host country’s courtesy flag for
whatever side we are on. In other words
– French flag for the French side and ……oh crap is it the Dutch flag or Dutch Netherlands
Antilles Federation flag or what the heck is this St Maarten flag I saw for the
first time today? Hum? More research to do.